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Re: MPG [blueguydotcom] by ateixeira
Sep 13, 2005 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Sep 13, 2005 11:44 am)

Mazda gears them for peak performance, not peak economy. Their motto is zoom-zoom, remember.
 
Besides, Honda and Toyota have deeper pockets, so if they went head-to-head for the fuel economy awards they'd end up losing anyway. They might end up in doom-doom.
 
Plus, if you want peak economy shouldn't you be going a little slower? 55 maybe?
 
-juice
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ate by blueguydotcom
Sep 13, 2005 (4:31 pm)
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Uh, you can have both. Nobody says BMW isn't fun to drive. Their 6th gear is a legit cruising gear. Gears 1-4 (or 5) can be ratioed for performance and make the top gear really tall for relaxed freeway cruising.
 
Remember if someone buys a manual, he's probably inclined to shift. I'm still livid over news that Mazdaspeed6 was delayed so they could make the final drive shorter. As if a turbo 4 cylinder isn't already inclined to get bad mileage!
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Re: Miata Ads [logic1] by m1miata
Sep 13, 2005 (5:07 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Sep 13, 2005 10:08 am)

" Were you driving with the top up?
  
I almost never put the top up. I only rarely did better than 20 mpgs in mine. "
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Top up or top down, is was not all that different. Most of the runs recording around
27 MPG were with top down. The 30 MPG was freeway, with mostly top up. If you
got only 20 MPG, there was something wrong with the engine. May be in the sensors.
It was really using too much gas. I don't think I could ever get it to go less than 24 to
23.
 
Loren
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Re: MPG [logic1] by m1miata
Sep 13, 2005 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Sep 13, 2005 11:37 am)

Why drive with a top up?
Oh yeah, easier questions coming my way.
- answers -
1) Keep rain out of car
2) Keep wind out of car
3) Keep heat on the outside of car - cool inside car.
4) Keep heat inside car
5) Keep dust out of car
6) Better gas mileage on freeway - especially when windy
7) Keep sun from burning self
8) Keep items inside car out of sun.
9) P.O. other members in your club when driving that believe it is a top down only car.
10) When washing car, keep in closed position.
11) Keeps cats out of car.
12) Keeps kids out of car.
13) Keeps bird crap out of car.
14) Keeps tree dropping out of car.
15) As requested by passenger, with the long hair.
16) Suggests the car was bought for its handling characteristics, and not drop top.
17) Gives you arm exercise putting it up and down.
18) Just too lazy to put it down this morning
19) Sign at beach said, " topless not allowed "
 
Loren
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Re: MPG [m1miata] by logic1
Sep 13, 2005 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Sep 13, 2005 5:26 pm)

Responses:
 
1. Don't drive the Miata when it is raining.
2. If you can't stand the wind, by a coupe.
3. Wear a parka.
4. See 3.
5. Oh for heaven's sake.
6. Yeah. But then, coupes handle better anyway. If you are not happy with top down character, buy a coupe.
7. Sun screen really works. Vitamen D is necessary for healthy bones.
8. Huh?
9. Somewhat juvenile.
10. Speed keeps cats out of car.
11. See 10.
12. See 10.
13. See 10.
14. See 10.
15. Passenger either cuts hair, puts it up, or walks.
16. Top up does not make much difference with ride and handling. Rigidity does.
17. Bally's.
18. Garage the car and do not put the top up in the first place.
19. Silly.
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Re: Miata Ads [m1miata] by logic1
Sep 13, 2005 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Sep 13, 2005 5:07 pm)

If you got only 20 MPG, there was something wrong with the engine. May be in the sensors.
 
Given the sucky local Mazda service, I would not be surprised if they missed a sensor problem. But I brought the car in several times to separate dealers, all of whom gave it clean bill of health.
 
From Miatanet and other buff sites, I gather my NB 1.8 mileage was not out of the norm. I don't drive often. When I do, I drive all out.
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coupe by m1miata
Sep 13, 2005 (7:30 pm)
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Mazda should make a Miata Coupe for USA market, but sadly they don't.
Miata.net is a good source for info. and the forums a place to chat about this n' that.
I think you will find on a search there, that MPG seems to fall into the 27 to 30 MPG
range for most people with the 1.8 engine. If memory serves me right, the 1.6 gets
about that too. I take it the new 2.0 liter will get a wider range of MPG when mostly
around town, or back roads? In first tests compared to Solstice it can out better in
MPG. I think it is the Car and Driver mag?
 
Loren
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Blueguy by ateixeira
Sep 14, 2005 (6:22 am)
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MPG just isn't a priority for them. Besides, what was the rating again? 19/28? That's not half bad given the performance.
 
If they'd geared it taller the car mags would whine about turbo lag.
 
If you want fuel effiency, you'd get the Mazda6 with the 2.3l engine anyway.
 
For Loren I suggest a hard top, plain and simple. They seal better, offer some rigidity, and probably less aerodynamic drag than a soft top.
 
The 1.6l was rated at 25/30 mpg by the EPA. That dropped with the 1.8l, but oddly enough with the 2.0l it's back up to 25/30 again.
 
Maybe they could offer a de-tuned version of the 2.0l with more fuel efficiency, but I'm not sure anyone that wants an MX-5 would not want the extra HP.
 
-juice
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Re: Blueguy [ateixeira] by blueguydotcom
Sep 14, 2005 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 14, 2005 6:22 am)

I know it's not a mazda priority...and I don't for a second believe it would hinder performance. 1 ans 2 should be good up to 63-65 mph. From there mix up the gears and make six really tall. Just like Honda and BMW.
 
Nobody complains about that setup with the Vette or the 330i, so I can't see it being an issue with a Mazdaspeed6.
 
Sorry not buying decent, intelligent gearing would hurt the car's image or sales. Bad mpg figures do hurt the car. Why blow 33k on a Mazdaspeed6 that scampers to 60 in a startlingly bad 7 seconds when one can spend less than that on a 325i and get a more nimble chassis and better mpgs?
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Re: Blueguy [blueguydotcom] by ateixeira
Sep 14, 2005 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Sep 14, 2005 7:59 am)

Vette has what, 6 liters, and BMW has 3?
 
The MazdaSpeed6 will have just 2.3l, and low compression ratio at that. So off boost it will perform more or less like a 2.0l.
 
They don't want the press too hit the gas and see zero results. Those guys go out of their way to look for turbo lag.
 
-juice

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