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Mazda, Toyota MR2 Spyder, Mazda MX-5 Miata, Convertible
Apr 12, 2004 (5:14 pm)
At the MazdaUSA website I did an inventory search for the TMX-5 and noticed the ones in California have as an option "LEV Emissions Equipment." I did a cursory search at dealers outside the Golden State and it seems to be a California-only "option." Mazda still reports the horsepower as 178, but I'm wondering if the LEV equipment saps away a few ponies. Didn't Mazda have this problem with the RX-8s offered in California and had to offer to buy back said RX-8s from any disappointed owners? And didn't Mazda have to offer $500 rebates to Miata owners in 2001 when the improved 1.8L engine (with variable valve timing and distributorless ignition) produced only a 2-horsepower increase instead of the promised 15 horses?
I suppose I should get off my duff and go to a dealer and see for myself.
Apr 12, 2004 (6:11 pm)
Both hp goofs were for nation wide models not just California. Whether the LEV equipment lowers the hp varies. Some cars lose up to 5hp with the option and others are unaffected. So if Mazda doesn't list a change, then I would believe them. I think they have learned their lessons from the RX8 and 01 Miata.
#3529 of 4350 ingtonge
Apr 12, 2004 (7:21 pm)
you have more faith in Mazda than I do. That said, I don't have any idea what the whole California LEV option thing is so I can't help you there.
Apr 12, 2004 (9:27 pm)
Why does anyone care about this? I mean sure we want a certain amount of truth in advertising, but it's not like this really changes anything. The car still accelerates and goes as fast as they say it does. What else do you need, bragging rights?
#3532 of 4350 It doesn't matter a whole heck of a lot.
Apr 13, 2004 (12:49 pm)
That's why I say I should get off my duff and check out the (California) car for myself.
As for the truth-in-advertising thing, it's like Auric Goldfinger told James Bond: "Once is happenstance; twice is coincidence; three times is enemy action." I can forgive Mazda once or twice -- but three times and there's something fishy goin' on.
#3533 of 4350 <humorous content, do not take seriously>
Apr 13, 2004 (12:58 pm)
To the contrary, if I test drove and liked a Miata enough to buy it, then Mazda threw another $500 or other incentives in my face, I'd happily take whatever they were offering.
Shoot, I hope that happens to my 1993 Miata. Did it *really* make 116hp?
What about my 1998 Forester? I'd love it if Subaru said it only makes 160hp instead of 165hp and threw some Benjamins in my pocket!
Apr 13, 2004 (1:58 pm)
Hear hear!! I'll raise a beer to that! I happened to buy my Tiburon 6 months after the whole hp snafu. I missed out on the extended warranty because of it. I would have gladly been lied to to get an even better warranty.
On a sidenote, Mazda did list hp as slightly lower on California cars in the late 90s, thus why I have some trust in their numbers.
Apr 14, 2004 (4:15 pm)
. . . as always for the insight, info and discussion.